Tuesday, February 03, 2009

optimistic fools

OPTIMISTIC FOOLS
I used to subscribe to Forbes financial magazine around ten years ago. Through the mid nineties when I was really, really poor, in the process of being buggered by the ex-wife who went on to become a pilot after I put her through school so the whole thing was more vindictiveness than financial survival, my monthly treat to myself was to buy an issue of Forbes and go to a coffee shop and eat a cheap breakfast in the middle of the night. It took at least an hour to read through Forbes and for that time, once a month, I could relax and enjoy myself. At the time Denney's still had $1.99 Grand Slams, and their Mom And Pop competitor I went to had an even cheaper special that included coffee. Back when gas was a buck a gallon, an SKS in the pawn shop $99. When trailer rent was $175 a month. A few years later when I'd gotten back on my feet somewhat, I started subscribing to Forbes. I've always liked the magazine.
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Of course I no longer subscribe, even though I could easily afford to. They are such corporate cheerleaders I can't stand it. And of course it colors their viewpoint. You can't point out that we are all going to die when your readers are suits and your advertisers depend on Greater Fools investing. Yet even given that, I couldn't help but think what optimistic fools they were when I came across an October '08 issue at the library free magazine rack. Page 52 had a graph depicting the Dow and how much value it had lost over the last century. A decline of 89% during the Great Depression. 42% during the early '70's oil embargo. 33% October '87. A mere 17% decline when LTCM went under in '98. The Dot Com bust saw a loss of 34%. And the housing bubble through last fall saw the Dow down 21%. The graph was screaming out how safe we were since we were so far from the declines of the Great Depression. Now, fast forward to February 2009. The Dow has lost just under a shade of 50%. That is worse than the '70's oil embargo. And over half way to the losses in the Great depression.
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And here's another little factoid for you. The Great Depression loss took three years. We are over half way there after just one year. And the Thirties were better than today, economically. We were on the gold standard, the world's oil exporter and the world's bread basket ( with a decentralized, non-oil dependant farm economy ). Today, we are a real estate, financial, entertainment economy going down fast. Yes, the Dow is not the only measure of the economy. In fact it isn't really the best one at all. But as long as we are measuring apples to apples, we can make a good case for things getting as bad as during the Great Depression far faster ( of course they will get worse, but I'm just refuting the Forbes happy happy joy news right now ). Taking their housing crash start date of October '07 and the Dow at 13,930 and the current 7,930 ( roughly, it will be different as you read this ) you get a decline of 57% for the housing crash. Not the 21% they are advertising. That's 65% of the Great Depression decline if fifteen months.
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Optimistic fools.
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20 comments:

Anonymous said...

To compare the population of the US then to lazy, dumbed down, spoiled bytchs we have now is just not an apples to apples comparison. Industrious people who didn't expect to suckle from the welfare tit and made it through. Of course now we educated spoiled brats. Oh and a totally corrupt government.

We are totally Phucked.

Old fart

Anonymous said...

Posts coming from Liberia, Africa. Take about the same time yours take to publish .


Yours went at 12:53 and the time you posted it was 12:12.

You can not fool the internet. You can fool the idiots in the web , but not all of the.

By the way. HOW IS EVERYTHING DOWN THERE IN "LIBERIA"??

Do you guys keep pushing blogs???

HOW IS BUSINESS NOW DAYS??

I work for the..........

Anonymous said...

Even your ex took advise to go to school to take a trade. Why din't you??

You been bitching for A couple of years and done NOTHING. Why??

Maybe because you are not in this country??

It's easy to set up a place to callect donations and send them abroad. Terrorist do it all the time. Whats worse stupid people sen the money.

Anonymous said...

Lets see some pictures.

Anonymous said...

In all the talk of people losing jobs, I have yet to see an acknowledgment of today's very different workforce. Back in the 30's, men worked for money and women worked for free (as housewives). There was typically one breadwinner per household. Now, typically, both men and women work for money.

Has anyone seen an analysis that takes this into account?

Anonymous said...

Pics please

Anonymous said...

THE REAL JAMES BISON REVEALED:

First, if you punch in Jim's address over at google;maps and click on 'view from the street', you'll get a photo shot of some snowy Nevada mountains.

Not a trailer park in sight.

But if you look carefully up to the left where Jim's trailer should be, you'll notice a gaping hole. this in fact, is one of 8 surface entrances to "eithophria" or 'inner earth'.

Jim won't admit it, but he was exiled to the surface for a slight embarrasing indiscretion, and is charged with the hopeless chore of helping save the so called human race.

Al D_____ for the High Command

Brick said...

Optimistic indeed!

To better grasp the magnitude of this latest "correction", percentages don't tell the accurate story. It's the absolute number difference that counts.

% dropped counts only for relative wealth lost or gained

absolute difference counts for actual wealth lost or gained.

Example 1...
Market is 1000...drops 50%. Market dropped 500 points.

Example 2...
Market is 10000 and drops the same 50%. The actual loss however is 10 times worse in terms of actual wealth lost than the 1st example. (5000 points, vs. only 500 points.)

Summary: We're ferhootzed.

I drive my tractor in pearls... said...
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Anonymous said...

Prick, Oooopppss, excuse me. Brick, good point.

Anonymous said...

Good post, Jim.

I am not sure what the troll motivations are. I suspect mental imbalance. Sort of the phenomena of killing the messenger for only delivering the message as if the messenger created the message? Either that or a co-ordinated effort by some elements of "government" to discredit anyone who tells it like it is. The idea is to keep us in a state of helplessness and ignorance so that we will be as clay in the hands of the PTB. Paranoid as it sounds, it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be true. But I say, nah, the conspiracy theory can't be true: that would take coordinated and intelligent action on the part of the government (an impossibility?). Yet, one does wonder.

Anonymous said...

I have a dilemma in finding the right spot to hunker down and wait out the depression. Maybe you guys can help me think this through. On the one hand, I have been thinking it might be best to find a modest little house on the edge of a ecologically aware small town, and to build good karmic relationships with down to earth people who grow organic food and barter. On the other hand, I also see advantages to finding a modest little house on the edge of a very conservative and religious small town where most of the people are packing heat. When I look at the crime statistics for these types of towns, it looks like it might be much safer to go with the rednecks and try to blend in when TSHTF. Does this sound logical?
Thanks,
Susie

Anonymous said...

I'd go organic with the rednecks. They like fresh food

Anonymous said...

@ anon 3:57 PM

take a good look around with google if you missed the trailer park....

Allan Sloan with Forbes is quite the entertaining and knowledgeable guy, love listening to him on NPR.

Sure would love to see pics of the survival homestead too....

Anonymous said...

Google isn't always spot on with the addresses. It shows my cabin property of being slightly to the west of where it really is by about 4 lots or about 800 feet.

In Jim's case the trailer park is clearly close by. Always wondered what the #12 was for, my guess is that's his spot number in the park.

I don't work for the government, I would just like to know that Jimmy boy isn't full of BS

Thales said...

It's pretty damn obvious based on the address that there is a trailer park nearby. Given that there is also a unit or lot number you can surmise either; 1) He lives in a trailer park. 3) He has his business based out of a trailer park.

Mystery solved.

Anonymous said...

Susie: a lot more lefties own guns than you would think according to the 'anti-gun movement'. so your better off going some place where you have something in common with the other people.

small towns are problematic: expensive to live in and without many job opportunites, closed to outsiders and an existing multi-generational heirarchy.

as to the religion: unless you are already a church goer, moving to a strange 'religious town' would be problematic....

if you don't like the city get out. go to the best place you can find. but you trade one set of problems for another.

Anonymous said...

Jim is full of BS. Look at me I moved off-grid to the trailer park? Get real. What a joke! Boys and girls there will be no pics of the bison homestead, because there isn't one.

Yes Jimmy did move to a different trailer park and not off-grid and off the beaten path as he has claimed. The trailer park is all he knows. But he no doubt has a vivid imagination.

Anonymous said...

I am leaning towards a conspiracy by the government as far as the trolls go. Only the government could take such a simple task (go troll any blog that they don't agree with) and screw it up with such pathetic quality work. If they were real trolls, they would be interesting to read at a minimum

Thales said...

I don't disagree with what is posted on this blog, I even link to the guy, but that address is most certainly a trailer park. I really don't have any problem with him living in a trailer park either as I live in a damn apartment, what I have a problem with is lying to someone.

It's really easy to solve, just take a few pictures of your homestead.